So heres the story on these...... last year my daughter goes to a hoity toity school with strict uniforms. U have to understand my daughter is 2 1/2- 3in taller than me and has about40-50 lbs on me. They measured her for these shirt and pants to boot nothing fit!!!!!!! (They measured her!!) I paid and they refused a refund or exchange totally odd in my book. But the bright side is now hopefully someone can put them to use and they are brand spankin new:) I will be listing the black ones next week.