I think you're right, I don't think these can be gotten anymore, cause my children had some when they were small. They used them, but only for certain things. Not for everyday coloring. & to buy the replacement crayons for the pack was nearly impossible then but their grandparents, bought these, & the replacements @ the same time. So they were set there. But now my children are like 18/19 & now my daugher is still OCD when it comes to these types of crayons.. already fanned, & watching.